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FidelGonzales
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Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 13, 2007, 12:30:59 PM »
I'm trying to understand the purpose of this component. Why is this better than a simple link, such as a "target=blank" link? It is not as easy to implement as the standard link.
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eddiet
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 13, 2007, 01:47:35 PM »
Can I add my voice for a basic explanation of the purpose of this component.
I work in the world of non-profit websites (phew !) and don't really understand why having links on your website to other sites is bad for your Google ranking.
Obviously I want to have my non-profit sites high on a Google search but as it doesn't cost me money there's no absolute imperative.
Maybe I need to join the SE0 club !
Anyway, a basic explanation of why this component is a good thing will more than likely cause me to give iJoomla more money.
Eddie
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ChiefGoFor
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 13, 2007, 01:52:36 PM »
Yes, I would love to answer that question. In fact, we anticipated it.
I pulled this from the FAQ section of this site. It explains about what it is to bleed PageRank:
http://www.ijoomla.com/ijoomla-redirect/ijoomla-redirect/index/
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What is Google Page Rank and how does it work?
PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at considerably more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; for example, it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important." Using these and other factors, Google provides its views on pages' relative importance. For more information click here.
What is the nofollow tag?
nofollow is a non-standard HTML attribute value used to instruct search engines that a hyperlink should not influence the link target's ranking in the search engine's index. Using nofollow tag will prevent your site from bleeding Google PageRank.
There are also other features such as tracking hits and using images as well.
I hope that clears it up for you.
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FidelGonzales
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 13, 2007, 02:49:55 PM »
I understand the bleed idea, but you're going to get that anytime you have an outbound link. There are debates as to whether the use of target=blank is a good idea or not. Since it's shown as a key feature, I was looking for a more tangible reason why one would want it.
As for the tracking of outbound links, that's cool, and could be used as an advertising tool versus OpenAds HTML capability.
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MAD
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 13, 2007, 02:53:11 PM »
So? I cast a lot of votes for other websites. Why should this influence my Pagerank? Does my Pagerank get negative points for linking others?
Don't I get higher ranking if I place links back to the site that also links me, especially when the contents of both sites are related?
How about internal links and sitemaps? These only help the Google bot to index the site better and get more pages in Goolge quicker. Do I need to redirect those too?
You make it come across that I get a high Pagerank if my site is linked by others but doesn't contain a single link of other sites (because I need to redirect all of those), since then my Pagerank is bleeding. I've read some SEO books but never came across Pagerank bleeding. I'd like to see some proof were all of this is based on.
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ChiefGoFor
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 13, 2007, 05:17:36 PM »
Quote from: FidelGonzales on December 13, 2007, 02:49:55 PM
I understand the bleed idea, but you're going to get that anytime you have an outbound link. There are debates as to whether the use of target=blank is a good idea or not. Since it's shown as a key feature, I was looking for a more tangible reason why one would want it.
As for the tracking of outbound links, that's cool, and could be used as an advertising tool versus OpenAds HTML capability.
The target is not the issue here. The bleeding occurs just by linking to another website no matter what the target. Links are created using the the infamous 'rel="nofollow"' attribute. This prevents spiders from crawling through that link, thus giving up some of your PageRank to the other site. This is part of what iJoomla:redirect does.
Quote from: MAD on December 13, 2007, 02:53:11 PM
So? I cast a lot of votes for other websites. Why should this influence my Pagerank? Does my Pagerank get negative points for linking others?
I'm not say it should or should not, I'm just saying that it does. Yes, your PageRank gets negative points for linking to others using just a basic link tag.
Quote from: MAD on December 13, 2007, 02:53:11 PM
Don't I get higher ranking if I place links back to the site that also links me, especially when the contents of both sites are related?
Yes, you would in affect be bleeding to each other. I doubt that the bleeding is equal as Search engines keep their algorithms top secret. Personally, if you are advertising for someone else and they are advertising for you, as long as you have great content on your site and both sites are relevant, I think that letting you each bleed to each other is a great strategy. I would not recommend blocking spiders from those links.
While we are on the topic, I will also mention that links to you can only help and will have no negative bearing on your PageRank. It would be too easy for someone to maliciously attack your PageRank by creating a site on <Something Negative to your Business>, then creating 2000 links to your site.
Quote from: MAD on December 13, 2007, 02:53:11 PM
How about internal links and sitemaps? These only help the Google bot to index the site better and get more pages in Goolge quicker. Do I need to redirect those too?
Internal links are exempt from Site Bleeding. If nothing else, you would be bleeding PageRank to yourself. You do not need to block spiders from crawling your own site. iJoomla:redirect can still be used to track internal or external links click on the site from within content.
Quote from: MAD on December 13, 2007, 02:53:11 PM
You make it come across that I get a high Pagerank if my site is linked by others but doesn't contain a single link of other sites (because I need to redirect all of those), since then my Pagerank is bleeding. I've read some SEO books but never came across Pagerank bleeding. I'd like to see some proof were all of this is based on.
If you search google for "PageRank Bleed", you will find more information about it.
Thank you for the questions!
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FidelGonzales
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 13, 2007, 08:18:04 PM »
Excellent response. That's what I (and I'm sure others) were looking for.
I realize target is of no importance, particularly when compared to the no follow attribute, which I have begun using. I am happy to hear this is integrated.
Thank you.
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eddiet
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 14, 2007, 02:57:59 AM »
Yes, thanks very much for that, very useful.
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MAD
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 14, 2007, 06:08:21 AM »
@ChiefGoFor: Thanks for the extensive reply!
One last thing I don't get on this Pagerank bleeding though. Why do startpages/linkpages always seem to get high pageranks in Google? They only consist of links to others, while almost nobody links them.
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ChiefGoFor
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 14, 2007, 06:16:45 AM »
Quote from: MAD on December 14, 2007, 06:08:21 AM
@ChiefGoFor: Thanks for the extensive reply!
One last thing I don't get on this Pagerank bleeding though. Why do startpages/linkpages always seem to get high pageranks in Google? They only consist of links to others, while almost nobody links them.
There are many factors. Relevance is a big one. If the content on that site is relevant to the search, it gets kudos on those searches. There are other factors as well. The title tag is a big one. Meta data is there, but does not carry as much weight as it used to. Also, even though "almost nobody links them", the quality of the sites linking to them is important as well.
Thank you to all the questions! It is better to be informed than to just go with the flow because someone said so.
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Dr. Dan Kirsch
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 16, 2007, 02:21:23 PM »
I'd posted similar information to answer a question up in General, and that might be of interest to anyone wanting to know a bit more:
http://www.ijoomla.com/option,com_smf/Itemid,6000/topic,306.msg998/#msg998
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Dr. Dan Kirsch
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 16, 2007, 02:47:56 PM »
Quote from: ChiefGoFor on December 13, 2007, 05:17:36 PM
Yes, you would in affect be bleeding to each other. I doubt that the bleeding is equal as Search engines keep their algorithms top secret. Personally, if you are advertising for someone else and they are advertising for you, as long as you have great content on your site and both sites are relevant, I think that letting you each bleed to each other is a great strategy. I would not recommend blocking spiders from those links.
I'd like to add a different perspective on the question & answer....in that my experience, linking and the resulting PR achieved is a lot like dating. When you date someone, you are in a sense, "dating" everyone that they have previously dated (that's how certain "social diseases" spread). The same actually happens with PR. If you have an understanding of PR, then the idea of negative PR should be an easy one to imagine.
How that can happen is actually quite easy, and you may be innocent but it can be as easy as the site that you trade links with has a bad PR. Yes, the site may be extremely relevant, and you and they may have great content. But that's not the part that can cause the negative PR...that can come from the other site's links.
All of the other site's PR does in fact impact upon your site's PR. So if the other site, for example, is linked to a couple of particularly "nasty" link farms, you will absorb some of that negative PR because of your association with that site. And so it's not just a matter of being concerned whether you and another relevant site mutually "bleed" to each other, but you can lose PR if those you link to have negative PR.
Related to that, I'll honestly say that you are far better off taking your time to carefully evaluate other sites and then determine whether you'd like to be linked to them. All too often, especially with newer sites, the tendency is to incorrectly assume that any reciprocal linkages are good. Definitely not he case.
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ChiefGoFor
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 17, 2007, 07:04:54 AM »
Quote from: drdan01 on December 16, 2007, 02:47:56 PM
I'd like to add a different perspective on the question & answer....in that my experience, linking and the resulting PR achieved is a lot like dating. When you date someone, you are in a sense, "dating" everyone that they have previously dated (that's how certain "social diseases" spread). The same actually happens with PR. If you have an understanding of PR, then the idea of negative PR should be an easy one to imagine.
How that can happen is actually quite easy, and you may be innocent but it can be as easy as the site that you trade links with has a bad PR. Yes, the site may be extremely relevant, and you and they may have great content. But that's not the part that can cause the negative PR...that can come from the other site's links.
All of the other site's PR does in fact impact upon your site's PR. So if the other site, for example, is linked to a couple of particularly "nasty" link farms, you will absorb some of that negative PR because of your association with that site. And so it's not just a matter of being concerned whether you and another relevant site mutually "bleed" to each other, but you can lose PR if those you link to have negative PR.
Related to that, I'll honestly say that you are far better off taking your time to carefully evaluate other sites and then determine whether you'd like to be linked to them. All too often, especially with newer sites, the tendency is to incorrectly assume that any reciprocal linkages are good. Definitely not he case.
Great information. Thank you!
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Dr. Dan Kirsch
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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December 17, 2007, 07:32:30 AM »
Quote from: ChiefGoFor on December 17, 2007, 07:04:54 AM
Great information. Thank you!
You're welcome!
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Kejsaren
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Re: Why Is This Better Than A Simple Link
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March 09, 2008, 07:25:54 AM »
But as far as I have understood, outbound links also give value to your site/page in the eyes of Google. So that if you are linking to relevant/similar pages this will increase the PR of your own site/page. Right?
And what happens if the spider can“t follow the link to that relevant page?
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